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« on: December 09, 2010, 07:18:22 PM » |
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There's a seller on eBay who recently sold an POAU Harry auto. On another forum, people are questioning whether the auto is authentic. (They're questioning many of his autos.) If anyone here has the Harry card and personally pulled it from a pack, could you please post a scan? I'm hoping several people will do this, since I've seen this auto with Dan Radcliffe's name signed straight across the card, as well as with his first name on top and last name below it.
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rns91294
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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 07:25:50 PM » |
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Well that sucks. I have three of his autos personally pulled, but not from that set. I have the quad from GOFU, the regular auto from that set and one from the MM set, I think. Is it just the way he signed that they are questioning, or are there other "problems" with the card.
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rns91294
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2010, 07:33:52 PM » |
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kbmum
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2010, 09:34:41 PM » |
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Right now, it's only the signature that's being questioned. There are tell-tale signs with an item is signed by an auto pen -- it's a device used to "sign" large numbers of documents to make it look like the signature is real. One example would be holiday cards that come from the White House. The president didn't actually sign all those cards. It was done by machine and there is a dot that appears at the beginning and/or end of each word from where the pen set down. A former NSU mod and NSU magazine writer has a blog about counterfeits and other issues in the non-sport industry. The HP card isn't yet mentioned on his blog, but he has lots of good info here: http://webjon.com/blog/If you scroll through his many previous posts, you'll see other counterfeits he's found. It makes for very interesting reading. It also makes me very uncomfortable about buying autos from anyone other than trusted sellers. |
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2010, 10:31:32 PM » |
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I know all about the auto-pen (I watch Pawn Stars on TV and they cover this a lot). I do have to admit, the auto doesn't look right compared to others I have seen. Makes me nervous about my Emma and Rupert autos since I bought one on eBay and did a trade for the other at a card show (which was a trade the guy at the show had just made with another customer right before me). I would just really hope there aren't too many of these going around. Shame people actually do this.
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LikORish-Spider
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2010, 01:13:29 AM » |
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My 2-cents. I have a bunch of scans of this card. None of them has this tint of black ink. Also the line of the signature is too thick. (A change of markers perhaps?) If so, it doesn't explain the following: On all of the other scans I have the letters dc of Ra dcliffe do not touch, there is a line up from the bottom of the d up to the top of the cI have posted two other card scans. 1.  Letters dc of Radcliffe are touching. Ink is not a pure crisp black color. Is it counterfeit? Compare to the other two. You decide. 2.  3.  |
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portlaw
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2010, 01:38:36 AM » |
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That definitly looks like a fake
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2010, 02:22:05 AM » |
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I'm confident it is fake. The signature is way off, obviously, but if you also look at the signature area the image fades into the signature area quite a bit more abruptly in the fake than in the real cards. This, of course, could be in the scan, but I doubt it since it is a pretty decent scan.
The seller has been contacted about this card, but didn't respond (despite pulling down the other cards). I'll add this to webjon tonight.
Jon (webjon)
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rns91294
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2010, 02:27:08 AM » |
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The R for Radcliffe also looks wrong. IN the possible fake, it has a straight line to it, while in the others, it curves around towards the top. Now, I don't have the auto from this set, but this tempted me to look at the ones I do have. ALL three of them are like the second two scans you posted with the curved R and the dc NOT touching, with that line leading up to the c. Now, Dan has one of the worst autos I have seen. Of my three, none are exactly alike, but they all have similarities to them. The one we are assuming may be a fake looks way too neat to be real to me.
I feel bad for the person who bought it. If the seller took down the other auctions, they know something is not right. Wish we could contact the buyer about it.
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portlaw
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2010, 02:30:17 AM » |
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Where did he even get the card from to put the fake on?
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2010, 03:02:55 AM » |
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Where did he even get the card from to put the fake on?
Most likely, in this case, the entire card has been printed and is a fake. I believe that was the case with the Johnny Depp Charlie and the Chocolate Factory autograph that Artbox confirmed was a counterfeit. (Details on this are on webjon too). Jon |
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Bagshott
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2010, 04:46:26 AM » |
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The card in question (forgetting the signature) is definitely paler and printing quality is poorer.
Certainly appears to be a mediocre fake.
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LikORish-Spider
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2010, 05:32:29 AM » |
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Where did he even get the card from to put the fake on?
There are lots of autograph cards that were pulled form packs that did not have signatures on them. They stick together because of the coating, so a signer might well miss them. I myself pulled a Warwick Davis card unsigned. The card may be 100% authentic. Without actually having it in hand it's hard to confirm. Scanners can play tricks on the image. It's the signature that could be a FORGORY. I'm just glad I didn't buy it. |
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rns91294
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2010, 10:15:09 PM » |
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Like I said, I feel bad for whoever did buy it.
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LikORish-Spider
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« Reply #14 on: December 11, 2010, 12:09:56 AM » |
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I have looked at 17 Daniel Radcliffe autogrpahs from various sets that are now on ebay.
They all have the letters d~c with a line connecting them, not touching (dc).
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portlaw
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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2010, 12:19:44 AM » |
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I was thinking of maybe getting one of these autos eventually but il be very hasty in picking which one now
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Gallifrey
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2010, 02:57:01 AM » |
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Earlier this year I won a Daniel POAU auto. It never arrived.  When card 1 from LikORish-Spider's post was on eBay I compared it to the Yak's price guide photo and decided to pass on it... just didn't look right to me. |
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LikORish-Spider
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« Reply #17 on: December 11, 2010, 07:22:10 AM » |
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Earlier this year I won a Daniel POAU auto. It never arrived. When card 1 from LikORish-Spider's post was on eBay I compared it to the Yak's price guide photo and decided to pass on it... just didn't look right to me. Did you get your money back from the seller? |
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Gallifrey
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2010, 09:48:50 AM » |
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Earlier this year I won a Daniel POAU auto. It never arrived. When card 1 from LikORish-Spider's post was on eBay I compared it to the Yak's price guide photo and decided to pass on it... just didn't look right to me. Did you get your money back from the seller? I contacted the seller several times and he never answered so I went through eBay. The seller had been on eBay for quite awhile and had excellent feedback and shortly after I won the auction negative feedback started pouring in. It seems something happened to the seller, he just fell off the planet. eBay couldn't get a response from him so they refund my money. I really wish I had gotten the card. :'( |
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kbmum
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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2010, 10:31:24 AM » |
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Was the seller geononsports? If so, he died last summer.
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