My sketch and Integrity called into question

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[gimli]

Come on Chris next thing you know you will expect Artbox to have product information on HP on their website

Well it would be nice

ohh wait there it goes hell just froze over and there goes a flying pig 

yeah I know it would also mean Topps would have to admit how many boxes of product they made and it would be huge.
when you look at something like family guy most artists did 550 sketches and there were only 13 artists

topps has something like  47 artists doing sketches numbering between 1000 and 80

[Sharon]

Just to add that both me and Bogleg have bought many cards from Chris and have never had any problems whatsoever.  I would recommend him to anyone  .

One interesting thing I have learnt from this is that a very small number of people are colouring sketch cards themselves.  I know this sounds totally naive but it is not something I would ever have considered or looked out for.

[Bogleg]

I have just read through this thread and the link and some of the comments that have come out are, to me, down right nasty 
To give Chris the "benifit of the doubt" is absolutly wrong. There is no doubt as anyone who has traded with Chris would know. This phrase still implys that there could be something underhand but can't prove it. I can't beleive the brass neck of one poster on the other site saying Chris should apologise for defending himself. The mere fact that the other sites thread title ends in "genuine-?" condems the seller and the card before any discussion or questions asked. It has been said that only a few people would have seen this posting but lets remember, only a few people buy cards and those that Chris would target as customers are the very few that would have seen it.
I have no particular loyalty to Chris or any other card dealer. If he has got what want at a reasonable price, I buy. HOWEVER, I will always pass the time of day with him as he and his lovely assistant are two of the nicest people I've met at the dog-eat-dog world of conventions.

[neko]

I can't believe the brass neck of one poster on the other site saying Chris should apologise for defending himself.

If it is what i'm thinking , I believe you are referring to me. I have known the folks that run the other forum for a very long time and they are all good guys and serious collectors as well. I thought it only fair that since this topic was posted on numerous forums where as the card in question was only posted on the one, that Chris let everyone know it was resolved and there are no hurt feelings. It was a missunderstanding. To let this one thread ruin the reputations of everyone involved is just silly. If anyone has any questions about this auction I think they have been answered. I also don;t think Chris's reputation as a seller has been damaged. Like I said before.. there have been MANY sketches that have been colored by someone OTHER than the artist.  With so many artists on the forum at Scoundrel it is a perfect opportunity to ask. So they have made special threads for cards that may come into question.
So it is not something new and Chris's was not the only card to ever come into question. And no one EVER flat out said Chris did this. Again the two cards I posted in this thread are perfect examples of a seller who was dooped when he bought them. No one ever said Chris was a crook and there were posts about 5  or 6 down where Chris had been contacted. Then the artist was contacted. it was not like folks waited for 5 pages of bashing to go by.  It has been resolved at any rate. There is no need to keep slinging mud.

[Roz]

No, I suppose we are lucky that Chris has on-the-ball friends who can point out threads like this to him so that he can defend himself.

Maybe other sellers aren't so lucky.

[gimli]

since joining the other forum in question  I have now read some posts there and I feel i will never post there again unless it is to defend myself. I just read a comment from an artist and others that has made sure i will never get a commision done by that person or talk to him at a show. Anthony (who I know) the seller in question was called all sorts of abusive names and commented on shamefully just because he would not give a clean scan to some people. Bare in mind that this seller owns the card and until sold has the right to provide what he wishes. There is freedom of speech and then there is just grinding people down for your own ammusement. I wonder if this would have been what would have happened to me if i had not been told what was being said. I am happy for people to find out about dodgy cards (it benefits and protects us all )

 

I will always pass the time of day with him as he and his lovely assistant are two of the nicest people I've met at the dog-eat-dog world of conventions.

My lovely assistant is Joy my wife and is almostmorning on the forum 

[neko]

sorry all this happend man...I really am... I am also sorry that you won;t be posting over there... 

[gimli]

well I have to say that I have really enjoyed being able to talk to all the artists who post here and I hope that you will continue and we can chat here.what we don't want is someone getting sued for defirmation of charactor, unless people try to get on and understand that sometimes we all don't get what we want, thing can only get worse for the trading card community. I love cards and that is the reason I became I dealer I don't make much money most of the time but i do it cause i love cards and collect myself. 

[HPfamily]

Chris! I am so sorry this has happened!  :'(
I am really new to sketch cards. Like Sharon, I had no idea that anyone would think of coloring a sketch!!  
But in your case, you were being accused guilty. Totally wrong!  
I do know that everything I have bought from you has been perfect!   You will always have my support 100%!!!!

[MarleyEds]

But in your case, you were being accused guilty. Totally wrong!  

Again, no one at any point in time accused Chris of coloring the card.  Everyone at SP who has bought from Chris has had excellent experiences dealing with him (including me).  Of all the fake colored cards that have appeared on ebay, more times than nought the person selling it said they "purchased it from a trade show", so anyone who contacts an artist for verification is attempting to do a service for both the bidder and the honest seller.

These fake colored cards are appearing more and more as of late, and even seasoned collectors are buying them thinking they are legit.

[gimli]

of course the only way to make sure that this does not happen so easily is to do what marleyeds has tried to do by keeping a record of the cards. The best ones are Cat Staggs and Cynthia Cummens on this set they provided scans of their cards before they went into the packs. Of course getting scans after the fact is great but still up for abuse. If topps did it then there would not be a problem.

[neko]

since joining the other forum in question  I have now read some posts there and I feel i will never post there again unless it is to defend myself. I just read a comment from an artist and others that has made sure i will never get a commision done by that person or talk to him at a show.

You do realise he was defending you on your card issue, which was resolved within a few hours of the original post, yet it still keeps going and going..

As Roz pointed out the DOC cuts both ways. We really need to relax and move on form this before  some real damage has been inflicted.

As the Sandtrooper says

Move along...move along...

Oh and I scan all my cards because I am compusive like that

[tdhartist]

I think pointing out the fact that you'd never get a commission from someone who DEFENDED you because in another thread he poked fun at "your friend" because he wouldn't provide scans of his cards to MarleyEds for his site which is a HUGE service to fans is a bit overkill, don't you think?

This issue should have died a long time ago.

[gimli]

manners is all i ask for

maybe it is a little too strong and i appologies for that and it was a rash statement which i appologies for wholeheartedly. I appreciate the work that goes into doing these cards but lets be nice even if people are not members on the forums.

Yes I know the dealer, I would call him an aquantance not a friend we talk at shows and that is it. But it was very strong words for nothing really. this will be my last comments on this subject. I do choose where I post carefully I wish to be in a friendly place where opinions are allowed but where moderation is used as well (in terms of tone and language) 

I will however say this one more time Cat and Cynthia have the right approach scan your work keep a record of it. After all if you have pride in your work as CC and CS have you will always want to look back at what you have created.

[Nienna]

It's been a a fierce debate over this sketch card and I'm sorry you got the brunt of it Chris.
I think you should be heartened and encouraged that so many people have spoken out in your favour and the input from our 'resident' artists has helped put everything into perspective too.
Nobody would ever accuse you of not appreciating the amount of work involved in these sketch cards Chris - you were a collector before you were ever a dealer and I think it shows - and I hope once the dust has settles you will post on the other forum once again.

I do think each artist creating their own database of their cards is an excellent idea, but I suppose it depends on how well organised each person is and whether they have the time and facilities to do it and to maintain it.
We now know Cat and Cynthia have their own records of the sketches they've done - who else does this?
I'm asking so that we know who to contact directly ... just in case we need this information in the future.

[Sharon]

We now know Cat and Cynthia have their own records of the sketches they've done - who else does this?  I'm asking so that we know who to contact directly ... just in case we need this information in the future.

I definitely like that idea.  Maybe we could have a separate topic with links posted.  Like I said I had no idea there was fake sketches on the loose and being so new to sketch cards I am exactly the sort of person who could be caught out.  Even if you couldn't find your exact card on the artists site you could probably see a similar card and compare the style.  Considering I haven't been near a sketch card since a Marvel set waaayyy back I am now getting quite good at spotting a few artists - I now know a Staggs from a Cummens and I can spot a Grant Gould a mile off (he is quickly becoming one of my favourites  ).

[tdhartist]

My site will be updated soon with what LOTRS cards I managed to scan.

[Sharon]

My site will be updated soon with what LOTRS cards I managed to scan.

That's brilliant.  Could you post a link to your site please 

[kbmum]

Tom, it would be great you could start your own thread in either the general Trading Card Section or the LOTR section.   Will you have scans that aren't available on MarleyEds' site?

[Sharon]

Yes a new topic in the LOTR bit would be great.  I mentioned having one specifically for links to the artists sites but wasn't sure what to call it.  What do you reckon on Artists Web Sites?  Not very creative I know but it does what it says on the tin 

Oh I wasn't sure where to put it.  Most of the sketch card discussion has been on LOTR but I wasn't sure.