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« on: July 19, 2005, 12:10:34 PM »

I'm not done yet but MAN is my head spinning. I'm in the middle of chapter 23: Horcruxes and I cant believe already how many of my questions have been anwsered, just in this chapter alone. I mean, I know I found out who the HBP is and who dies (I'd like to give a huge apology to Choice of Lúthien for being so rude to you the other day I was just so mad that I read that and I should read EVERYTHING before proceding to any other posts but I dont even care now Grin Forgive and forget? I'd also like to apologize to Roz for making such a big deal over the Choice of Lúthien posting mess and to Mark who I think I ruin it for Undecided) I cant BELIEVE how much stuff happened in other books that tie into this one. Like the diary in COS, thats one of Vold- sorry, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Nameds Horcruxes Shocked I dont think I'll just let this book collect dust I'll have to read it again Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2005, 02:31:49 PM »

I agree with the head-spinning - I was also finding it difficult to see after a 12 hour reading stint without food.  Still, I'm fully recovered now but still overawed by Jo's writing skills.

I know I am not in the majority but my favourite book prior to this was OOTP.  It was just so complex that everytime I read it I found more clues so I ended up reading it six times and the last few chapters maybe half a dozen times more.
HBP, however, knocks spots off OOTP.  It is far more cohesive. OOTP was a bit patchy in that parts of it were very slow then the action moved so fast it passed you in a blur.  In HBP the action never stops - it was unbelievably good.  I don't know how she does it - just when you think it can't get any better she seems to go into overdrive.

The end is particularly good. It was such a cliff-hanger. The end is totally wide open - will Hogwarts survive, is Snape a bad guy and was Dumbledore wrong after all, how will Harry take his leave of the Dursleys, how will he become an Auror without his NEWTS, will he and Ginny finally get together and ride off into the sunset?Huh - Just a few of the many question to be answered apart from the vital one of will Harry get LV before LV gets him.

How I am going to wait a further two years, I don't know.  I heard Jo say on a TV internview for the HBP that she wasn't going to start writing before the end of the year.  Is she a sadist?  She also said, though, that she had already written the end so perhaps it won't take quite as long - hopefully.
 
The first two books now look like 'Sesame Street' by comparison.  I don't know if her intentions have changed since the series began but I don't think the majority audience for the last two books can be the 9-11 age group as Amazon seems to think.  Although the books can be read on more than one level, I would have thought it very difficult for such a young person to be able to follow the thought processes (and angst) of a 17 year old with any understanding.  I am happy to be told different, however.

Having dashed through the book with the TV and radio definitely turned OFF (so that nobody could tell me the plot before I'd found out for myself!), I will now sit down and read it with more attention to detail.  I am doubtful, however, of adding much to my understanding - most of my questions seem to be being addressed by other people on this site.  Anyway, you never know....
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2005, 10:53:10 PM »


The first two books now look like 'Sesame Street' by comparison.  I don't know if her intentions have changed since the series began but I don't think the majority audience for the last two books can be the 9-11 age group as Amazon seems to think.  Although the books can be read on more than one level, I would have thought it very difficult for such a young person to be able to follow the thought processes (and angst) of a 17 year old with any understanding.  I am happy to be told different, however.


I'm sure that if a 9-11 year olds started reading at the time book 1 (PS) came out they are now 15-17 year olds and are able to follow the progress. But new 9-11 year olds would be well advised to start with book 1 and read them in order. I was lucky that I started reading with COS and had SP to go back and read. By the time I'd read that one POA was published so I had three books to read without a long dry spell. The new crop of 9-11 year olds that start from PS are lucky. They have 6 books to read. By then Year 7 Part 1 will be ready. (I'm hoping for a two part year 7 story.)
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2005, 05:30:47 AM »

Tell me something: Was Rosmerta under the Imperius Curse when she helped Harry get Dumbledore to the castle?
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2005, 05:37:21 AM »

Yup I think so I was a bit sus when she had two brooms all ready.
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2005, 05:48:13 AM »

Yeah, that does make since. I knew there was something I didnt like about her
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2005, 07:38:30 AM »

Yeah, that does make since. I knew there was something I didnt like about her

I don't think any of the characters would willingly want a Death Eater to put him or her under the Imperius Curse. Smiley
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2005, 10:02:08 AM »

but my question is which death eater did it maybe malfoy  and does this prove that Draco malfoy is a death eater now
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2005, 06:50:56 PM »

Could be any of them. I must say sorry McG but I am even sus of her she seemed to really want the info out of Harry  Undecided
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2005, 07:41:53 PM »

I'd like to give a huge apology to Choice of Lúthien for being so rude to you the other day I was just so mad that I read that and I should read EVERYTHING before proceding to any other posts but I dont even care now Grin Forgive and forget? I'd also like to apologize to Roz for making such a big deal over the Choice of Lúthien posting mess and to Mark who I think I ruin it for Undecided

Not at all - you (like me) have developed a need to get rid of all those blue little "new" (topic) tags Smiley

It would be hard for the people who had finished not to mention anything about the book til everyone else had finished, I'm sorry you read it and that after reporting the post poor Mark read it too, but all's well that ends well and it's a great book to read even if you already know part of the ending Wink

Just wait til you have finished and start reading all our discussions and interpretations as to what happened, your eyes will be on stalks Shocked

I'm sure that if a 9-11 year olds started reading at the time book 1 (PS) came out they are now 15-17 year olds and are able to follow the progress. But new 9-11 year olds would be well advised to start with book 1 and read them in order. I was lucky that I started reading with COS and had SP to go back and read. By the time I'd read that one POA was published so I had three books to read without a long dry spell. The new crop of 9-11 year olds that start from PS are lucky. They have 6 books to read. By then Year 7 Part 1 will be ready. (I'm hoping for a two part year 7 story.)

Exactly! I don't think I'd want my 11 year old - should I ever have one - reading the Goblet of Fire.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2005, 08:17:32 PM »

actually scott was eleven when he read it but as he has a great grasp on what is real and what is fiction he was fine with the book ( he has trouble reading ) but what i want to do is get all the book on cd for all the kids that way they can hear some of the words they don't understand.

But he thought the good was great and was very happy that harry had survived it was a bit graphic but no more than some of the english books he reads
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2005, 08:27:47 PM »

Exactly! I don't think I'd want my 11 year old - should I ever have one - reading the Goblet of Fire.

This is a problem I'm running into now, and my kids are only 5.  I've read them parts of the first three books and allowed them to watch the movies, but only when I'm with them and can skip over certain scenes with my remote.  They've seen all of the fun parts and not much of the more violent stuff. 

I don't know what I'm going to do with GOF on up.  I've avoided reading them those books, so far.  But, my daughter is a HUGE fan.  She desperately wants to see GOF in the theater with us (we will not bring her and I'm not even sure she'll be allowed to watch any of the DVD) and she has repeatedly asked questions about the OOTP and HBP books.  In a way, it's all my fault.  She's been watching me read the books and collect a variety of HP paraphernalia, so of course she wants to be like mommy. Smiley  Now I have to find a way to keep her away from the rest of the books and movies until she's old enough to handle the themes.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2005, 08:34:07 PM »

the thing that you can do is what i do with tj she like you little one loves harry potter and what i do is when we watch one of the movies i sit with her and explain there are parts that i would prefer her not to watch and when they come on the screen i will cover her eye and i plan to watch the movies on a friday / saturday night that way she falls asleep half way through and what parts i don't want her to see i cover her eyes. that way she gets to see a majority of the movie and i get to control what she sees
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2005, 11:31:40 PM »

Yes Roz, my heart was still bounding out of my chest even thought I knew who died and who the Half-Blood Pricne was ROFL!
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« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2005, 12:10:43 AM »

I agree with McGonagall.  I cover my 6 year olds eyes for scary parts.  We've watched the movies so much that even if I'm up doing something else, she actually goes into the other room all on her own when she knows a scary part is coming.  She did get a glimpse of a dementor once which didn't scare her a bit.  But she completely runs out of the room when Trelawney sneaks up on Harry on POA!  So far I haven't had to worry about the books.  We don't read those together.
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« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2005, 12:15:19 AM »

But you've got to think. I mean when I'm reading it it scares me like the pensive scene in the cave. Can you already picture the dead jumping out of the water or picture them in the water on screen. I think Movie six will be PG-13
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2005, 12:27:17 AM »

But she completely runs out of the room when Trelawney sneaks up on Harry on POA!

My son hates the part when Aunt Marge blows up!  I don't know what it is that bothers him so much, but he won't even look at the TV.  He curls up in a chair by himself and hides his face.  I tell him when it's over, then the little turtle head pops out and he continues watching the movie.

I don't even want to think about the cave scene yet!
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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2005, 12:31:44 AM »

The only thing that really scared me was Voldemort in SS Shocked
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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2005, 12:41:19 AM »

What timing -- this article appeared in today's Boston Globe.

Young Potter readers need to talk, grieve

By Barbara F. Meltz, Globe Staff  |  July 21, 2005

As she was leaving for summer school Monday morning, the day after she had finished ''Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince," 14-year-old Chelsey Bowman of Newton asked her mother, ''Will you be here when I get home at 1 o'clock? I don't want to be alone."

The neediness took June Bowman by surprise. Not only is it unlike her daughter to be frightened, it's also unlike ''Harry Potter" to cause that degree of intensity.

Less than 24 hours after the book was released last weekend, readers who had already finished it were seeking solace in a chat thread on livejournal.com:

''Is anyone else in complete and utter shock about who just died and how, or am I the only one?"

''I am in shock. OMG, I can't believe what I just read. I spent like the last three chapters bawling my eyes out. I'm just in shock, pure utter shock."

We won't be the spoiler here, but it's no secret that a much-beloved character dies in this sixth book in the series by J.K. Rowling. What do you say when your child has been up all night reading, and her eyes are red and swollen from crying?

For sure you don't say, ''Oh honey, it's only a book."

Children's literature specialist Masha Rudman of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst says, ''That's like saying, 'Oh, it's only one stick of dynamite.' " In other words, she says, ''Stories have power."

''Harry Potter is not just a book, it's an entire world that becomes very real to you," says 15-year-old Sara Sokolove, also of Newton. ''People use Harry Potter books as a distraction to their own lives. To escape. You can't do that with this one because it's so depressing." Sara's mother, Ann, was distressed by how disturbed her daughter was. ''Her reaction was so strong. I could see it in her face before she even said a word."

Is that a reason for some children not to read this much-anticipated book?

Probably not.

Rowling's series has dealt with weighty issues all along: love, loss, good, evil, death, trust. Although ''Half-Blood" is darker and scarier and has the potential to tap into deep, sometimes upsetting feelings, that's not necessarily bad, says child and adolescent bereavement specialist Heather Servaty-Seib, a professor at Purdue University and an avid Potter fan.

''Talking about fiction is a safe way for children to talk about real life. The book can be a catalyst for important conversation," she says.

''For me, this book is all about trust," says Hilla Rogel, 15, of Brookline. ''Who can you trust? Are my parents sometimes wrong? Can you depend on anyone besides yourself?"

''After I finished, I lay awake and went over and over it in my head until morning," says Eli Dreyfus, 14, of Newton. ''My life is parallel to Harry Potter's. It made me feel really vulnerable. What would I do [in similar situations]? Am I ultimately alone, too?"

Rogel, a counselor in training at Creative Arts at Park, a summer program at the Park School in Brookline, and Dreyfus, a camper there, were among 16 readers who finished the book and gathered to talk about it Tuesday morning. It was not an upbeat discussion. They used words like ominous, intense, hopeless, and dark to describe it, along with touching, sincere, and exhilarating. That's a sharp contrast to previous Harry Potter books, which they describe as mostly leaving them feeling high and excited.

''It's the first book to make me think more about what I just read than to just be looking forward to the next one," says Raanan Sarid-Segal, 14, of Newton, another Park camper.

Only one reader described it as hopeful.

''You have to kind of turn things around to get [to the hopefulness] 'cause it really is frightening to think that we all really are on our own," says Emma Frank, a 17-year-old counselor-in-training from Brookline. ''But that can be a lovely and hopeful message, too: that you have to take responsibility for yourself sooner or later." She stayed up until 2 a.m. to finish the book and sobbed through the ending.

Cambridge Hospital psychiatrist David Jones, a Harry Potter aficionado who begged his wife to give him a break from parenting responsibilities on Sunday so he could finish the book, says younger readers will tend to take the book literally and be frightened.

Indeed, Sarid-Segal felt paranoid when he finished: ''I went around the house three times, checking to make sure it was safe."

Nina Blass of Arlington, also 14, says, ''It's not a kid's book anymore. It's much too scary." She's worried about her 8-year-old sister reading it by herself.

Jones urges parents whose children are 9 or younger to read the book to them. ''Kids are egocentric. They blame themselves when bad things happen, like death or divorce. Seeing Harry feel so guilty may make them think, 'Gee, I must be right to feel guilty for what happened in my life,' " Jones says.

Servaty-Seib is concerned that young children will connect death to evil. She tells parents, ''The message to convey is that death is a normative part of the human experience."

With older children, read it yourself at the same time. Making it a shared experience is comforting. Blass read through the night with two friends, stopping to talk about it at the end of some chapters. ''We finished at 8 a.m," she says. ''We collapsed on each other. We cried. Then we fell asleep."

The 14- to 19-year-old reader is emotionally vulnerable because her thinking is more abstract and metaphysical. Celeste Hughey also had a group read. A 19-year-old counselor at Park, she was the first of her three friends to finish. ''I watched them close their books. They kind of curled up into a ball. You feel numb, let down, wrung out," she says. She's anxious for her mom to finish the book so they can talk about it. ''I want to say to her, 'I'm so glad I still have you,' " Hughey says.

Servaty-Seib says it will be hard for a reader of any age not to feel grief. For those who have experienced loss in their own lives, including a pet's death or having a best friend move away, it may stir up feelings they didn't know they had.

Park camper Rosa Zedek, 12, of Brookline attended her grandmother's memorial service over the weekend, then came home to read ''Half-Blood." The timing was unfortunate. ''It's left me kind of numb," she says.

Even if a child is temperamentally vulnerable or prone to depression, child psychiatrist Michael Jellinek says, ''I'm not sure that [reading it] is necessarily bad," but a parent should absolutely read it as well and initiate conversation. ''All of us get some emotional relief or satisfaction from sadness on the screen or in books or fairy tales," he says. ''It's catharsis. It helps us relate and think through our own lives." Jellinek is president of Newton-Wellesley Hospital.

Most children will bounce back from any sadness within 24 hours. If not, or if their reaction to the book is extreme, consider it a tip-off that the book is stirring some deeper feelings. Jellinek says, ''I'd ask, 'You seem really sad. Is something bothering you? Is there something about this story that's making you sad?' "

Sophie Lazar of Jamaica Plain, a 12-year-old at Park who has reread each of the previous Potter books as many as three times, isn't so sure she'll reread ''Half-Blood." ''Way too scary and sad, and disappointing," she says. ''I liked it better when Harry, and Ron and Hermione just had adventures."
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2005, 02:43:30 AM »

Its even affected me a bit. Not really from the death I knew it had to happen. But worried abot what the future holds and who will make it and who won't Sad
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