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What would everyone think that a full set of all 16 autographs would be worth?  I have a chance to buy a set, and want to know what I should pay.  Thanks

ztaylork

What an extremely difficult question.  ???

Really, it is so hard to say. No one knows at the moment how many autos are existing. And no one knows, if the whole set is "overproduced" and if the prices will fall down because of that. Very very difficult.

Which offer did you get? How much should you pay?

It's a crazy price!

Whilst the Dan Radcliffe on ebay didn't sell for £750ish that it was on that was actually a bargain. We didn't know it at the time! People know it now that they have been opening cases but I am not sure if it went on ebay now it would find the sort of financial rewards that it needs for dealers / colelctors to break even on what they need to even break even neverlo make a profit!

I just need someone to throw out some numbers, to give me an idea, I know its hard.  :)

Zach

Not before i have consulted my lawyer. ;)

Hmm. I like to speculatate at the moment. What do we have if there are about 2600 cases, you know, i think we must have nearly so much.

Just let us try to get an impression how many autograph cards we should have then. There are 2 auto per case but Gimli got a little bit more. Lets calculate with 5300 autos.

If we only take the cards he pulled and calculate only with these cards, then we got at the end something like that:

50 x Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint (Triple Autograph)
50 x Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter)  
50 x Emma Watson (Hermione Granger)  
50 x Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley)
200 x David Bradley (Argus Filch)
300 x James Phelps and Oliver Phelps (Double Autograph)
300 x Chris Rankin (Percy Weasley)
300 x Harry Melling (Dudley Dursley)
300 x Richard Griffths (Uncle Vernon) - redemption
400 x Dawn French (Fat Lady)
500 x Jamie Waylett (Vincent Crabbe)
500 x Jimmy Gardner (Ernie Prang) - redemption
500 x Genevieve Gaunt (Pansy Parkinson)
500 x Warwick Davis (Choir Conductor)
600 x Lee Ingleby (Stan Shunpike)
700 x Pam Ferris (Aunt Marge) - redemption

5300 cards altogether.

I know, this will not be the truth. But i think, it can give us a good impression.

This would mean, the 4 top cards have a ratio of 1:50 cases. So Gimli got only 2 cards in 25 cases.

But yes, it´s all pure imagination and speculation. We just have no real infos at the moment.

Does it help you Ztaylork? ;)

At least $4000

There is a number :-\

Well think of a few cards, the triple auto, ron, harry.
those cards alone I would value at about 2500+

Think of FOTR merry and what happened to that.. then think of the triple auto, the crad is amazing! and has **3** autos on it of the 3 stars of the movie.

The Hermione auto for the first set is what 300? so you figure ron/harry signed less cards so figure a grand for each? 500 for Hermione thats 2500 and you still got the triple auto.
I would say if you can get them for 4gs, go for it.

but the cards will be worth alot as a set. IMHO

First time on the boards, hope you all dont mind me joining in as a few people have asked me to clarify some things

I have been saying to whoever will listen for weeks that the three big cards will be a huge price. Actually Richard Harry for £700 was a bargain and i told him so when he listed it. If he sold it then the collector go a great deal. Both the Harry and the Tripple are the shortest inserted non sport autos of all time. (forget the 1/1 cards, i am not counting those)

If a tripple comes up and i know one dealer who pulled one on friday, i think you will see it at $2500-$4000. Its a lot of money.

One thing that has not been mentioned is that we were told that he would sign 150 cards and that he will never sign again !!!
Now i would never say never but if that is the case then the cards are fully worth what they are worth. Its the ultimate auto.
If Richard has not sold it then i am sure he will probebly keep it. At least 200 went out of the warehouse on Friday and i am sure that they were all broken by Saturday, yet i have yet to see a Harry, Ron, Hermoinne or Tripple on Ebay ! Just goes to show that yes they are that rare !.

A lot of people will be very upset with this set, but then again there is a lot of affordale inserts in this set as well. I think there is something for everyone. People neeed to get a bit of perspective the first series did well for a lot of people money wise, these things happen maybee once a year with a product, the genie was out of the bottle on this one and for money to be made you have to be patient and preserve pricing on the big stuff. i have read some posts trashing the product because of the print run etc etc. The print run is 1300 cases + 300 cases for Japan with no props + 100 cases for major retailer in the USA (hobby product) so 1700 cases produced,, but really only 1400 cases of good hobby product.

Now before you all get your calculators out, just because something is numbered to an ammount does not mean they will all be inserted.

Product is kept back for archive
Product is kept back for customer service (damaged cards)
Product is Kept back for Warner Bros USA
Product is kept back for Warner Bros UK
Product is kept back for a set for each actor/actress signee
Product is kept back for Potter Producers + Writer

The only two cards that this has been an exception on is the tripple and the harry !

Some of these classifications have had 25-50 of each kept for them. That pretty much blows out the water all of you guys that try and work it out as to how many boxes were produced.

yes double the ammount of product has been produced but tripple of the ammount of cards have been made to collect, this means that it will go the same way as people are breaking more. Look at Chris as an example he broke way more on this one that the first series, if this replicates the rest of the hobby then it wont take long for the boxes to get eaten up !

Personally i think its a fabulous product the tripple card from pictures i have seen look fantastic and the two monster cards are also great.

Honestly Darren, get in the Car and go and see D&M or Chris to see a Triple ;)

Blimmin good set but it is a lot harder to get autos. I myself opened a case with no autos whatsoever which was very dissappointing.

He's right, there's tonnes to pull here and it's a great set. But more than ever I think we will have to take one or two 9 pocket pages and fill them with just your favourites. You could have a set of robe cards; Harry (very common), Hermione (UK Excl), Neville (not too difficult to pull) and Draco - (although there are 600 of these around I think Tom had a few to keep because I pulled one in 4 case and I think Chris only pulled one in 33 cases).

Or you can take a few props etc. I think it's tough to think "I will collect all props" or "I will collect all clothings" because there are a lot of difficult ones to get in all the categories; Props have the 25 case incentives, Costumes have very difficult pulls like the tie materials limited to 300 or so and the Autographs... well I think it's best not to get us started on the autographs ...;)

Nice to see you here Darren, but you have Darren and Darren1 here now ;)

Hi Darren,

Good to see you here & thanks for the additional insight. I wouldn't worry about the 4 main auto cards, as they will all be in my cases when I receive them.

CJD

I am very happy with the look of this set from the photos I have seen so far. I am a collector and will be happy with anything I pull from my boxes. I know there are sooo many costume/prop/cinema/auto cards that I will never get a full set so I will just collect what I can afford and I think that is what is good about this set. There is opportunity for many hp fans to grab their piece of cinema magic!!  ;D

Yeah the 35mm film cards worked out well too! And it was quite inspired using the trailer because there's tonnes of good shots in there.

Well, I got the full 16 autograph card for $2500.  :)  I am very happy, and very excited to have them in my hands.  I will get some scans when they arrive, and try not to gloat!!  I figured that is a lot better than opening 4 or 5 cases, so I put 5 of my cases up for sale on ebay to cover the cost.  One step closer to a master set!!!!

ztaylork

Wow jeez it's unlikely we'll see that sort of deal again!

Nice work, though I'm insanely jealous.  :o

I wish I knew dealers prepared to sell the entire auto set for this sort of price !

CJD

Yes, I am VERY happy right now.  I have been extremely luck the last few months in opening cards (hotbox from first series Harry set, PJ in 2 boxes from ROTK update) but when I heard that there were no hotboxes in this set, and I thought there might be a chance my luck is running out, this seemed to be the best way to go.  

ztaylork

Z,
I think it is a great deal.

Ztaylork, I can understand you selling your cases, but the Van Halen tickets, too?  Say it isn't so!   :D

Show some respect young Beckham or I'll red card you  ;D

It is nice to have Darren's view on the set :)

I do have a question for him though I know that in sports cards any additional cards held back for replacement etc. are serial #'d to match the card that they replace.  Like if you sent in a Harry Robe from the first set that was damaged and it was #120/750 wouldn't they stamp the replacement with the same serial # and destroy the damaged card.  I know they do this in sports cards to protect from fake cards in the market.

I think someone on the board said they sent in a damaged card for replacement from Artbox, did they stamp the same #???????

Also I am wondering if there is anyone on the board who would spend say:

$1000 for Harry auto
$1000 for Ron auto
$750 for Hermione auto

And lets say $2500 for the triple

Just wondering if anyone would spend that kind of money (I know there are a few who want to complete the master set and will have to, but what if you aren't trying for the master would you?)

Personally I wouldn't...to much money - I would buy some of the auto's from FOTR first.

Surely you agree Roz :o

That is crazy, (if it is someone on the board sorry for calling you clueless).   That is like picking up FOTR complete auto set for $1000.  If anyone knows anyone willing to sell me the complete set of auto's FOTR for $1000 PM me.

I'm pretty sure that Artbox doesn't stamp a serial number on a replacement -- they give you the best card they have available from the run.  I had a slight problem with a swatch on a card, but decided to keep it instead of replace it (mainly because I really liked the image on the swatch).

LOL I think that the 4 main autos could be FOTR merry at it's height sort of proportions to be honest!

Imagine... PoA just produce more and more massive sets. I remember Mike justified the higher print run to me telling me that he wanted everyone to have the chance to get what they wanted from this set... which at the time sounded like a good excuse to make a whole lot of product but it actually looks pretty invalid now. 4 cases later and nothing like a master set of any of the mini sets!!!

I dont need another Hermione auto and i have not enough money for the other 3 cards.

So i try my luck with a few cases and if i did not pull any Top Auto, i do not try to complete my auto master.  :-\

So at my sight i build my auto master with all those cards who are not limited to <75 (with luck eventualy 1 top but hopefully not Hermione again)

 ;)

I could not sleep if i pull a triple auto  ;D

I need a Safe.... i need a gun..... i need a valium....  ;D ;D ;D

One thing I've noticed is that when someone lists the breakdown of a case, it usually looks pretty good.  But on another forum, some people listed what they got from one or two boxes.  Then it finally hit home with me just how hard it's going to be to pull even a few cards that I really want.  The odds are against it, and then I'll have to ante up for those cards, on top of what I've already spent for boxes.  Yep, I can understand Gimli's and Olly's dismay!  And yours, too, Roz!

I had six and two of my friends bailed out on me.  I would never dream of sellin my personal ticket to see Van Halen.  :)  

hmm what would i pay for a Harry Potter and a Hermione I am not really sure but not what ever it takes

That is exactly what I think Gimli, I don't think most people will be willing to pay what they are probably worth,  which of course will determine there value.

Gimli is one of the few with a master set and he may not even be willing to pay what someone will be asking for them.  SO why would people who don't have a master set shell out the big bucks for a Harry or Ron?

Also on the possibility of Harry auto's only for this set and never again, at one time that is what was being rumored that artbox was not going to use repeat signers in future sets (obviously not the case with another hermione in the update).

And why didn't Artbox include something Peter Pettigrew in this set (auto or costume)?  I haven't read the books, but I am assuming this is his only appearance in the series.?.?

No not his only appearance  ;) but i do not say more  ::)

Unforgiveable!!!

*reaches to pocket for red card*

Seriously !!!

This is no where near the last we will see of him! I won't tell you more than that but he certainly hangs around in the next book - integral to the plot I'd say, but not quite so much in OOTP .... you'll see!!

Much more apt to watch the movies than read the books.  I am still only half way through reading the FOTR and it has been 6 months since I started on that book.  So obviously I am not a big reader. :P

In fairness although Tolkien is a great writer he doesn't write very readable books. The world he creates is marvellous but tough to get through for the first time. After that you fall in love with it ;)

The Potter books are better written, not better books but better written ;)

Actually Zach if you do know anyone that is selling these cards for those prices please PM me. Thanks :)

Sorry I just couldn't let this sit there without disagreeing.  Tolkien is a master story teller, perhaps not a great writer -  great writers win the Booker Prizes and they are definately not very readable.  

Harry Potter is written for children and teens,  from that point of view they are extremely easy to read for adults.

Tolkien wrote an amazing tale, with depth, background, believability.  I never found it hard to read.  Hard to put down - YES!  Too Short  -  YES YES YES!    But not very readable -  not in my universe  :-)

Well they arrived today, all 16 of them (the dealer overnighted them to me)  The ron autgraph is a great one, the one that I pulled out of the packs wasn't near as nice as this one.  It feels great to hold a triple autograph in one hand and the Harry in the other (not to mention the whomping willow card that I held on my head :) )  I am glad that I bought the set, I was a little (very very very little) apprehensive about forking over $2500 for the set.  I knew it was a good deal, but still it was hard (the real fight came with my wife )  I am excited to see a triple autograph land on ebay to see what it goes for, hoping that whoever lists it starts it low and lets the market determine the price.  Thanks for all your support in this purchase.  I will try and get some scans done so they can be posted.   As soon as my costume set arrives I will be getting closer to a master set, although in the end I never end up keeping a master set, as I had 2 (minus a peartree for one) of the first set, and all I have left to show is a run of the autographs and costumes.  Catch and release, just like my grandpa always tought me.  :)

ztaylork