The Update set; Odds, Pictures and Case/Box Breakdowns

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[sixpence33]

   MY HUSBAND PULLED THE ONE WITH THE FOUR AUTOGRAPHS.   BOY WAS HE FUNNY TO WATCH(JUMPING AROUND AND ALL LOL)

[rns91294]

They weren't very careful at their packing, huh?

[sixpence33]

HOPEFULLY OUR LUCK RUNS PRETTY WELL(or at least my sons)  IT SEEMS THAT ARTBOX HURRIED THIS SET AND GOT IT OUT BY THE DEADLINE.  I HAVE HAD SOME FRIENDS GET LESS THAN 7 INSERTS IN A CASE.  OUT OF THE 15 CASES THAT I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN OPENED BY OTHERS I HAVE YET TO SEE A TRIPLE AUTO OR SINGLES OF THE BIG THREE.  HOW MANY ARE OUT THERE I WONDER?    

[sonarghost]

Beautiful card!!

[becka141]

Hi Becka,

I think that was an ok case, sure you only got one auto, but you did get buckbeaks feather, and a good range of inserts. At least you didnt get double's of anything, it could be worse and you could have got 4 harry's quiddich costumes in the one case or something like that!!   Let us know how u go with your other cases

I'm trying to be postive. I guess I'll see how I feel after I open my second and last case on Monday!

[Accio Wealth]

Evening All,


Well I finished opening my 1st case. So here we go

AUTOGRAPHS

Jimmy Gardner (Ernie Prang) - redemption

PROP CARDS

Divination Class (845) (Has a piece of gold chain on it)
Sleeping Bag (1980) x 2

COSTUME CARDS

Dual Cedric Diggory and Harry Potter (628)
Ron’s Jumper (731)
Harry Potter’s Quidditch Outfit (1143)
Harry Potter’s Sweater/Cardigan (2173)
Cedric Diggory’s Quidditch Outfit (2173)
Harry Potter’s Quidditch Outfit (2173)
Remus Lupin Jacket (2900)

Film cards x 2 :'(

5 Complete Foil Sets

Box Toppers
BT1 Drowning In Cold x 2
BT2 Disquieting Guests x 3
BT3 Too Weak To Move x 3
BT4 No One's Coming Harry x 2

Case Topper
Sirius

Bit gutted about only 1 auto

I think the film cards are pretty cool so a bit of a shame that I only got 2. Although I am pleased with the Dual Costume and Rons Jumper is a wicked card(nice and chunky).

2 Sleeping bags though is a bit of a downer, would have loved to get 3 different prop cards. And maybe another auto

[cjdmadcow]

Case 1

18 x Base Sets plus remainders.
2 x Box-Topper sets plus BT1 & BT2
5 x Foil Sets plus R1, R2, R3, R6, R7 & R8
1 x Case Topper (Sirius In Jail)

Auto's
Warwick Davies / Choir Conductor
Chris Rankin / Percy Weasley

Prop Cards
Unfogging the Future (290/930)
Divination Class (349/930)
Sleeping Bag (380/1980)

Costume Cards
Cedric & Harry Dual Card (069/628)
Remus Lupin (779/834)
Harry Potter's Quidditch Outfit (0233/1143)
Harry Potter's Sweater (0171/2173)
Harry Potters Quidditch Outfit (0521/2173)
Cedric Diggory's Quidditch Robe (2087/2173)
Remus Lupin Jacket (1104/2900)

35mm Film Cells
2 x Knight Bus (861 & 891/900)
1 x Leaky Cauldron (214/900)

So in summary :

2 Auto's, 3 Prop Cards, 7 Costume Cards & 3 Film Cell Cards

Not bad.

CJD

[Crystyles]

Finnally  

Just a simple one:

10 Cases :


AUTOGRAPHS
0 Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint (Triple Autograph)
1 James Phelps and Oliver Phelps (Double Autograph)
0 Daniel Radcliffe (Harry Potter)
2 Emma Watson (Hermione Granger)
1 Rupert Grint (Ron Weasley)
2 Chris Rankin (Percy Weasley)
4 Lee Ingleby (Stan Shunpike)
2 Genevieve Gaunt (Pansy Parkinson)
5 Warwick Davis (Choir Conductor)
0 David Bradley (Argus Filch)
2 Harry Melling (Dudley Dursley)
0 Dawn French (Fat Lady)
1 Jamie Waylett (Vincent Crabbe)
1 Jimmy Gardner (Ernie Prang) - redemption
1 Pam Ferris (Aunt Marge) - redemption
3 Richard Griffths (Uncle Vernon) - redemption

PROP CARDS

2Wanted Poster (335)
1 Buckbeak Feather (390)
1 Fizzing Whizzbees (430)
1 The Daily Prophet (480)
0 The Marauder’s Map (500)
5 Divination Class (845)
4 Grim Fur (880)
5 Unfogging the Future (930)
2 Divination Class (930)
7 Sleeping Bag (1960)

COSTUME CARDS
3 Madam Rosmerta (250)
0 Griffindor Material (330)
0 Sybil Trelawney (330)
0 Slytherin Material (380)
2 Aunt Marge (430)
2 Dual Cedric Diggory and Harry Potter (628)
3 Draco Malfoy (628)
0 Hermione’s Pink Sweater (628)
4 Hermione’s Coat (730)
2 Hermione’s Scarf (730)
1 Ron’s Jumper (731)
3 Cornelius Fudge (830)
1 Remus Lupin (834)
6 Harry Potter’s Quidditch Outfit (1143) Distant
9 Harry Potter’s Quidditch Outfit (2173) Up Close
3 Neville Longbottom (1170)
9 Harry Potter’s Sweater (2173)
0 Harry Potter’s grey T-shirt (?)
0 Harry Potter’s Cloak (2575)Retail
0 George Weasley (2803) Retail
9 Remus Lupin (2900)

[beckham1]

OK, whats up with the harry grey t shirt, has anyone pulled one yet?  Does this card exist?  Was it an incentive card?

Oh and can't believe you pulled 5 props under 500 and 3 of the Rosmerta costume to 250.  You control 1.5% of the market.  That is a lot of responsibility, so if you can't handle it I will PM you my mailing address.  Let me know.

Also I think you did pretty well on the auto's the double, 1 - Ron and 2- Hermione's.  Not bad for 10 cases.  That is 4 good ones.  I am pretty jealous!

Since I opened 4 cases and have 4 Earnie Prang Redemption cards

[beckham1]

Harry Potter Prisoner of Azkaban Collectors Edition Update Hobby Box Very limited!!!! Ser 1 at 400.00 per box
79.00 per box

I found this listing on a card shops website.
Apparently Harry Potter Original (series 1) is at $400 a box (that might be false advertising )

[SrisonS]

Here's a couple scans of my pulls from my 6 boxes

[Harbottle]

Hi guys, I've been away a while, but still been lurking and listenening to the board. I've ordered Three cases and have received two( from US) and one form UK. Here are the US breakdowns as I'm still waiting for the UK case.

CASE 1

Case topper:

Malfoy getting decked


Box Toppers

3xBT1 3xBT2 3xBT3 and 2xBT4 ( the maths doesn't work but had two in one box!


Autographs

Dudley Dursley
Weasley Dual Auto


Props

Unfogging the Future
Divination Class
Sleeping Bag


Costumes

Gryffindor Material(330)
Cornelius Fudge(830)
Neville Longbottom(1170)
Harry cloak(2173)
Cedric Diggory(2173)
Harry Quidditch(2173)
Lupin Jacket(2900)


Film Cells

Harry with wand
Lupin
Malfoy decked


CASE 2

Case topper:

Sirius Black


Box Toppers

3xBT1 2xBT2 3xBT3 and 1xBT4


Autographs

Stan Shunpike
Chior conducter


Props

Divination Class x 2
Sleeping Bag


Costumes

Gryffindor Material(330)
Ron Jumper(731)
Cornelius Fudge(830)
Harry Quidditch(1143)
Harry cloak(2173)
Cedric Diggory(2173)
Lupin Jacket(2900)


Film Cells

Buckbeak flying
Snape and Harry
Knight Bus


Pretty unspectacular really, leading to the conclusion we've all been had over. The original POA series was great, with any case well worth the money. This time round odds of anything good have plummeted. It really has turned into legalised gambling with people blowing thousands of pounds hoping to get the big cards that just aren't there. Warners have probably got half the Harry's again. I've already given up on LOTR after Topps did this after the excellent odds of good autos in the FOTR series. I will be giving up on Harry Potter as well. Look out for my Pear Tree leaf soon, it'll be coming up on Ebay.

[mpcltd]

I have to disagree there.
I dont think we have been had at all.I think it is a great set for collectors where it will take some time to complete the set.
The only reason it has been produced in such large numbers is because of people wanting to make a quick buck and ordering more than they would in the hope of to sell their spares and pay for the set - This has never been part of collecting .
People are slating the set because it is not making them money like the first one and they are feeling burned - I consider these people more speculators than collectors.I can guarantee that this set has made many genuine collectors very happy because it is a great set well made and a lot of it is very affordable.I dont understand the mentality of it when every collector thinks they should be able to get a master set quickly and cheaply-surely that isnt collecting!
Artbox have managed unlike some other card manufacturers to secure the biggest names in the movie to sign and this is a feat in itself.I get fed up with people slating this set because it is rather from a financial viewpoint than a collecting standpoint.
At the end of the day the speculators are to blame for the huge increase in production of this set and I think Artbox did a great job with introducing many inserts in this set - Had this been a Topps release the inserts would have stayed the same [around 15] and they would have been produced in greater numbers or seeded less per box.
Lets get back to collecting !!!
I would be interested in other people views on this

[Roz]

There are some SERIOUS distribution issues MPC, you can't erase that from your memory - ok so maybe you have done ok on your auto ratios but a lot of us have had no autos or one auto a case, £400 is a lot of money to fork out without getting an auto to be honest.

I totally agree with you on the set, it's beautiful the auto list is breathtaing, the props are far more interesting and the clothings can only be described as comprehensive . The whole set is much more imaginative and exciting than the last one, and this is a FANTASTIC time to buy, GRIMM furs (which I didn't get ONE of in 6 cases) for $30 - BARGAIN! Marauders Map - I opened 4 cases without finding one of these $75? You'd be a fool not to snap those up.

My only objection is with the distribution problems, whilst I am very glad for one of our forum members to get 5 autos in one pack, it's tough to see when others are getting just one or no autos in a case...

I think next time we need to give Artbox the space and time to pack it properly, I think anyone that talked to me prior to release, heard me say that I was happier for them to take their time and put in autos rather than redemption cards into packs, but I would have been equally happy to give them another week to get them reasonably well packed up.

It's a shame

[mpcltd]

Hi Roz
Thanks for some input:
On your point about Distribution yes maybe it could have been better and I also had a lot of 1 auto cases.But people only complain when they get bad luck.Would you prefer 1 insert per box or the chance of getting 3 or 4 over not getting one??- I know which I prefer.How boring is a product when you get guaranteed 1 insert per box and you hit the insert early on!! Are you really interested in carrying on?
On the cost problem lets compare this to Topps latest release -Star Wars Heritage.There you did get 1 insert per box but that didnt stop me for getting a few dud boxes.And then on top of that getting a Martinez sketch !!
And this is where it was different.I run a business but I would much rather be left with a Lupin costume than a Martinez sketch and with the box prices the same this is where I have a problem.
Heritage wasnt complained about half as much as this set although being an awful set and I put this down to the FINANCIAL success of the last Potter set.
You ask people who have bought PoA original cases at $1900 and I am sure they will tell you it wasnt worth the money !!
How Many Ways Do People Want It!!! -Do they want a short print run that rockets quickly out of collectors reach or a product that will be affordable for some time?

[samwise16]

It is a shame, 4 consecutive Cedric costumes then 2 dud boxes then a lupin and then a remption with a divination and a sleeping bag is just pants for a collector spend £400 and get £100. I may not be wanting to sell, BUT i would like to get something other than a 4 common diggory cards and lupin costume and 2 duds. So much for randomly inserted, more like purposely planted because they ran out of time  

[Roz]

Totally true MPC I hated Heritage compared to this set. Of course I'd be 10x happier with one of those Harry cardigan cards than a martinez sketch for the same money.

I think guaranteed insert boxes are great Rich, I've had far more than my fair share of duds in trading cards (I think my luck in Trilogy finally made up for that though ). But sets with guaranteed inserts do tend to be boring

I've been having a think about it and the only thing I would have changed myself if I had been working at artbox, I think I'd have kept the print run to 1000 cases, it's too early in the Harry Potter licence to blow it out and sell so many cases in my opinion,, there is too much left to do - 6 books worth (2 other movies so far). From the point of view of set content I don't think I'd have changed anything. They made it as diverse as they could so that although there are 4 or 5 cards numbered over 2000 they are from major characters; Diggory, Harry, Lupin, etc - although the separate Quidditch robes for Cedric and Harry (x2) PLUS the dual costume may have been overdoing it

I wonder what ground they are planning to cover in future sets? The interesting signers left are just McGonagal, Draco, Snape and Hagrid (and Robbie is not the sort of person to sign I am afraid). And there must be a point where we all have enough robe cards and need no more

Following this set there will probably be a reduction in orders for the Philosopher's Stone set (which in my opinion will be no bad thing) and so it will probably scale back down again to somewhere between PoA and PoA Update which is perhaps a more realistic size for the HP fan base (yes it has a huge following but it's not LOTR!) and the set will do well - but not if it's so highly produced as this one I don't think.

Our orders need to be reduced for the next set to be a success! What do you reckon?

[Harbottle]

I did not realise I was going to kick things off a bit. I agree with what MPC says  in a way, and have bought a lot of things from him, some pretty high value cards in fact. But why have so many costume and auto cards to collect at such low ratios. Why not put in enough of eachy to at least be within the grasp of the collector. Get an actor to sign a decent number, if not, don't bring them on board. I am a collector myself and only sell on the secondary market my spares, to try and recoup some of the money I have spent. I just feel there are too many things to collect in this set. As the original idea of card collecting was to be satisfied when you finally completed a set, but not having paid thousands of dollars for the privilage! There is no doubt this is a beautifully made set, but have Artbox over-stretched themselves?

[Accio Wealth]

Just thought I'd add my two penneth.

From my own point of view I think the card set it self is fantastic. The film cards are just awesome and a great addition to the original set.

I have to agree with MPC's point that this is definitely a set made for the collectors with an excellent and inspired range of insert cards BUT I am very disappointed with my overall pulls. I didn't discover the first set until the box and case prices were absolutely crazy, and so I didn't get to "pull" any cards from the set and had to purchase individual cards on Ebay. When the Update set was announced I was determined not to miss out on the fun of opening boxes and looking for inserts and so I pre-ordered a couple of cases. Due to a mistake of my own making I ended up paying an awful lot more for my cases than I should have done so you can imagine I'm a little miffed when I only pull 1 auto and a handfull of other cards that I could have purchased individually for about £150.

I think if I had known how many cards were to be produced this time I would have not ordered in cases but waited until after the release and picked them up on Ebay. I think people feel a bit miffed/disappointed because Artbox seemed to keep all the numbers under wraps. Even now there still seems to be some debate about how many cases were produced. I don't think I've wasted my money as I love my cards but I do think the cases prices were very high for what they contained.

What do you guys think?

And what does every one else think of the film cards?? Great or what
(You dont have to answer that one Zach after your recent troubles )

[rns91294]

Hi All.  I like the set.  I just went to a card show and bought two boxes (my other three should be here this Wed).  I didn't do as well as others, but I am still happy.  I got:

A full foil set, a couple base sets and a Harry Quidditch (742/1143) and Hermione's jumper/scarf (192/730).  I am very happy with these cards.  As much as I would have liked a prop, film card or auto, I will have fun opening my next three boxes.  Yes, I spent more than these cards are probably going to go for, but I had fun doing it, and I am very pleased with them (especially since the hermione one was on my must have list, and so was one of the Quidditch robes, to go with my Weasley one from the first set).  So I feel good about this, ad I do love this set.  I won't be able to own all the ones I want, but the hunt is always a good time